tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post7151839690446207266..comments2024-02-11T08:56:42.753+00:00Comments on It's Not A Zero Sum Game: I know how I feel about catcalls, thanks: a response to Paris LeesMarina Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14449789093721258516noreply@blogger.comBlogger10125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-35695233577034385242022-03-03T17:47:43.517+00:002022-03-03T17:47:43.517+00:00Casino near me - Mapyro
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No. You are you and we are we and never the twain shall meet, and this is one of many MANY reasons I will never consider transwomen women. You have no idea what it is to be us, you only know what it is to live a stereotype. And it shows in your politics. The only transwomen I see honoring women's experiences are the transwomen who can admit that they are still men. Ironic, that.Dana Seilhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749354913843954242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-25503607372755137032015-12-04T20:32:17.230+00:002015-12-04T20:32:17.230+00:00Drugs are bad, dude. Get off 'em.Drugs are bad, dude. Get off 'em.Dana Seilhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749354913843954242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-7805535797885181942015-12-04T20:32:02.270+00:002015-12-04T20:32:02.270+00:00What about learning to think for yourself and pick...What about learning to think for yourself and pick and choose which opinions you will take seriously, and quit expecting women to do all your emotional and intellectual work for you.Dana Seilhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749354913843954242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-34361697582591317662015-12-04T20:30:35.144+00:002015-12-04T20:30:35.144+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Dana Seilhanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11749354913843954242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-34896036919878364922014-03-14T13:42:04.345+00:002014-03-14T13:42:04.345+00:00I don't think turning it into a competition ab...I don't think turning it into a competition about who gets it worse is going to help anybody here, if I'm honest.Marina Shttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14449789093721258516noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-67933710851089796882014-03-14T10:50:34.493+00:002014-03-14T10:50:34.493+00:00Agree. This is totally the way I read this. As a t...Agree. This is totally the way I read this. As a trans* women who has had men in the street violently assault me, sexually assault me (although on one of these occasions I was sexually assaulted by a woman), sexually harass me, intimidate me and try and rape me (one very nearly did I was very lucky), I generally feel that the sort of street attention that Paris Lees is describing largely comes as a relief. It means that, while they are doing this they are not trying to beat me up or get sexually violent with me as has happened on many occasions. <br /><br />So to be perfectly honest many of the catcalls I get in the street, and I get a lot, are water off a duck's back compared to many of my experiences when men and women transphobicly assault me in the street.<br /><br />This is the way I read Paris Lees' piece; if you are a trans* woman you can count yourself very lucky if you have not been attacked or sexually assaulted many times, as I have and as many of my trans* friends have. The sexual harassment and horrible things that have happened to you also happen to trans* women in spades, and yes men start to turn violent sometimes if you tell them to stop staring but all this is a lot better than what happens to us regularly in the street, on the buses, on trains; in just about every situation.<br /><br />So street harassment that is not violent comes to be seen by us as a relief because we all know that it is unlikely to turn into actual violence. Although it is not particularly scientific I have asked a lot of cisgender women friends about street harassment and violence and while it is still too high, compared to the amount of violence and harassment me and my trans* women friends get, it is generally very small. So yes catcalls in the street may be unpleasant experiences but from a trans* woman's POV they come as a relief, since the alternative is far, far worse.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-86089972369818994522014-03-13T12:28:16.589+00:002014-03-13T12:28:16.589+00:00From what I understand, being a trans woman walki...From what I understand, being a trans woman walking down the street can often be a case of "do I get cat - called or do I get assaulted for not conforming to men's expectations?" ... perhaps that a in itself be a reason to prefer the former.<br /><br />Even so... "male imprint"? ... is it no just as likely that Paris has fallen foul to the same patriarchal teachings that many other young women fall foul too?... namely, that it's somehow an achievement of note to be sexually desirable per societal norms, and that men should be able to demonstrate such attractions at will. In fact, I'd go as far as to apply Occam's Razor to it.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-76676727957497224872014-03-13T11:20:35.723+00:002014-03-13T11:20:35.723+00:00In your 'personal equation' the only '...In your 'personal equation' the only 'human bit' is you... just you and only you... the rest are just un-worthy of you, even when you have a crush on them... Nothing about gender roles and the joys of an 'education' that boys and girls have to face up to when they grow up and later in life?... I suppose that would humanise 'the enemy' and make him a bit more... desireable too... <br /><br />The irony is that most males can STILL only fantasize about being cornered in the water by a girl who 'threatens' to ... the revere of your story... Well the reverse or your 'little me me me stories' doesn't happen. If it did at least some men would be much much much happier people to meet and probably women would feel 'less under pressure' for being desired!... <br /><br />It seems that Paris has a male imprint left somewhere in her cortex which still feeds her that being desired is not such a bad thought even if it can be brutal and un-solicited. Probably that hit a nerve as not being the feminine spin on the state of play between men and women and apparently the feminist othodoxy more than its mistique as we are told here once again, wouldn't allow it!<br /><br />Anyone's been eye fucked EVER by a girl you don't know - and who is not seriously drunk or seriously disturbed etc.?? nnaaah it doesn't happend!!... feminism doesn't 'naturally' go that far unless it may have to prove a point!!<br /><br />So, some of us still have dream... we live for a day when men will be eye fucked in the tube and cornered in the water and we would enjoy if women would throw stone and abuse at us if we say no!... not in my life time though... not ever I think!! this shit doesn't happen to who desires it apparently!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-69924029354610062692014-03-12T14:46:17.112+00:002014-03-12T14:46:17.112+00:00Hang on, verbal violence?
I thank both sides are ...Hang on, verbal violence?<br /><br />I thank both sides are guilty of that.<br /><br />We're told to ignore it though. Don't complain. Rise above it. etc<br /><br />The implication seems to be that women's opinions are not important. They can't hurt you. Look at you, man, you're bigger than her. <br /><br />Then we're told we're sexist pigs, because we don't take women's opinions seriously.<br /><br />What about a bit of consistency?<br /><br />By the way, I was never taught that a rejection means we can punish women. I must have missed that meeting.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com