tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post1932433919156652570..comments2024-02-11T08:56:42.753+00:00Comments on It's Not A Zero Sum Game: What the Cologne mass sexual assault tells us about culture - our ownMarina Shttp://www.blogger.com/profile/14449789093721258516noreply@blogger.comBlogger45125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-15816310332020715072016-03-30T16:22:07.952+01:002016-03-30T16:22:07.952+01:00So you didn't avoid any large groups of men in...So you didn't avoid any large groups of men in general before that? You trust white men? <br /><br />Well, as you said, it is your safety. <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-87872797975194922242016-03-30T16:18:43.154+01:002016-03-30T16:18:43.154+01:00"99% of German men or European men in general..."99% of German men or European men in general would NOT rape or threaten the opposite sex."<br /><br />So who does all the raping, then? After all, roughly one in four women was raped or sexually assaulted in some way somewhen in her life. That's a whopping 25%, so ... that means 25 victims per German rapist, and that number implies that German police doesn't do nearly enough policing, or doesn't encourage victims to speak up nearly enough. <br /><br />It also doesn't explain who all those men are who rape prostituted women from Eastern Europe in German brothels. They cannot all be immigrants from the Middle East.<br /><br />"Their female brethren" ... are you serious? Did you, perhaps, mean to say "their female breeding stock"? <br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-67668746309426132472016-03-30T16:01:16.559+01:002016-03-30T16:01:16.559+01:00So true.
Men don't sexually assault women be...So true. <br /><br />Men don't sexually assault women because they don't know that it is not acceptable. (Even though they often claim that as defense. German men, who live in Germany, too.) Men from all cultures know perfectly well that women don't want to be molested by strangers on the streets. They routinely decide to ignore it, and only take into consideration what other men consider acceptable. <br /><br />What those men from the Middle East might have not known is that while it is perfectly acceptable for German men to molest German women, a foreigner molesting German women might raise some eyebrows. <br /><br />Not saying that their culture is not a problem. Of course it is. Had they come from a less misogynist cultural background, it would not have mattered how legal it is to sexually assault women in Germany, they just wouldn't have done it because they themselves wouldn't have considered it acceptable. <br /><br />But Germany let it happen. German politicians refused to amend the law in order to make this sort of sexual assault illegal. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-80381236255340377412016-01-20T23:00:24.964+00:002016-01-20T23:00:24.964+00:00>Strange then why no mobile phone footage of se...>Strange then why no mobile phone footage of sexual harassment that night in Cologne has been found!!!<br /><br />It would be more strange if hundreds of German women decided to concoct sex crimes.<br /><br />There is footage of the gangs throwing diversionary fireworks.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-301169528549591362016-01-20T02:58:51.320+00:002016-01-20T02:58:51.320+00:00700 women themselves say they were sexually assaul...700 women themselves say they were sexually assaulted by approximately a group of 1000 men of middle-eastern or North African appearance using 'Taharrush' type behaviours. This is reality, this is what happened to them.<br /><br />Denying it, pretending that all cultures do this type of mass sexual harassment, and that all cultures are equal in terms of their treatment of women and gay people, is going to play right into the hands of the ultra right-wing. It's also effectively erasing these women and girls' voices.<br /><br />This is pretty appalling apologism for a mass sexual assault; for it to come from a feminist is mind-boggling. This is not my feminism, I do not recognise this as feminism.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-65906005600204593942016-01-10T23:22:28.681+00:002016-01-10T23:22:28.681+00:00Nowadays, everyone carries mobile phones with them...Nowadays, everyone carries mobile phones with them, and take photos of wverything around them. Strange then why no mobile phone footage of sexual harassment that night in Cologne has been found!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-65417495144764153862016-01-10T10:09:25.676+00:002016-01-10T10:09:25.676+00:00I was not "arguing the toss with all these wo...I was not "arguing the toss with all these women" I was replying to you and the original poster. We clealry live in 2 different UKs. Yours is one in which sexuial harassment is an everyday and multiple occurance, whereas mine is one in which most people are decent and sexual harrasment as described by you happens only rarely. However, the point I was making is; it's all very well saying how women have it so bad and how men are responsible but without offering any historical or socio-economic reasons for such phenomena or any solution is pointless. That's all.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-19073842694289773932016-01-10T02:17:49.839+00:002016-01-10T02:17:49.839+00:00At the time of writing, there were only two people...At the time of writing, there were only two people that had voiced their interpretations of your post and both of them had come to a similar conclusion about what you meant. Now there is a third voice with a differing but similar interpretation.<br /><br />Mass sexual harassment is not part of German culture, nothing like this has happened in Germany before. If there is a message in German culture that this behaviour is okay or will go unpunished, I can only presume it is written in Arabic.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-30723962660397751332016-01-09T17:20:36.652+00:002016-01-09T17:20:36.652+00:00Gee, Joseph, what does it say about you that you r...Gee, Joseph, what does it say about you that you refer to yourself as "everyone"?<br /><br /> "If natives are allowed to harass women, immigrants will quickly get the message that harassing women is part of German/western culture."<br /><br /> Please point out the words in that sentence which you believe are rightly interpreted as "mass sexual assault is something these attackers learned from native Germans."Ivy Shootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04340057355166930681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-26567825862189464002016-01-09T16:49:20.319+00:002016-01-09T16:49:20.319+00:00The feminist reaction to this is truly shocking. A...The feminist reaction to this is truly shocking. A 14 year old and a 15 year old girl were gang raped in the open by a culture which looks upon women as garbage. You should be ashamed of yourselves. You've really stuck the boot into the crumbling feminist movement this time.<br /><br />We've even seen victim blaming from feminists (the feminist mayor of Cologne now says women should have a code of conduct to prevent future assault).<br /><br />I have a question: What would your reaction have been if 1000 white men had organized rape and performed sexual assault on this scale? Would you have defended them with "whataboutery" and "youtooery" as well? It's ok, you don't need to answer as we know what the feminist response would have been already. You really should be ashamed of yourselves.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-41464777041090830302016-01-09T05:36:29.317+00:002016-01-09T05:36:29.317+00:00I didn't think she was saying that they learne...I didn't think she was saying that they learned this behaviour here, but that when they got here, they realised this kind of behaviour isn't greatly penalised. holojojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362355819924107966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-22302505547378242142016-01-09T05:19:28.085+00:002016-01-09T05:19:28.085+00:00I'm 49, and I don't think I have one singl...I'm 49, and I don't think I have one single female friend who hasn't suffered sexual harrassment multiple times. I can't even count the times I've been groped on the Tube, or in bars, or at a football match, or in the corridoors at uni, or in shops, or on trains, or in dark alleyways, or in lifts, or - well, you see where I'm going with this? And this is England. Id you don't see it, it's because you're not looking, or because what seems like sexual harrassment to me simply doesn't to you. So maybe, instead of arguing the toss with all these women who clearly, clearly have more experience of the matter than you, you should go out into the world with fresh eyes and educate yourself as to our lives.holojojohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12362355819924107966noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-19032165140602420612016-01-08T21:39:04.155+00:002016-01-08T21:39:04.155+00:00It is accurate to say that it is one of the most g...It is accurate to say that it is one of the most gender-equal societies the world has ever known. That doesn't mean everything is perfect, there is still a long way to go. Even the attitudes of today's most progressive minds will probably be seen as hopelessly closed-minded and prejudiced in 100 years time.<br /><br />These attacks are unlike anything Germany has ever seen, but they are not new to Muslim majority countries.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-39184775756548079702016-01-08T21:31:24.135+00:002016-01-08T21:31:24.135+00:00>If natives are allowed to harass women, immigr...>If natives are allowed to harass women, immigrants will quickly get the message that harassing women is part of German/western culture.<br /><br />I don't think I'm making the most uncharitable or absurd interpretation of what you said there. If you're not saying that immigrants learned this behaviour, or at least learned that it is acceptable, from German culture, what are you saying?<br /><br />Please answer with an actual answer of what you meant because everyone that has interpreted your post has apparently made the same error.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-72633481667591054262016-01-08T14:40:24.844+00:002016-01-08T14:40:24.844+00:00You say immigrants "find themselves in a coun...You say immigrants "find themselves in a country where alcohol and pubic [sic] revelry equals a free-for-all on women's bodies" so why would this western corruption affect predominantly one group of immigrants (muslim) over others?<br />eg in the UK I haven't of any reported cases of gangs of Indian Hindu immigrants raping underage girls in large gangs. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-73066956277411900082016-01-08T13:00:47.233+00:002016-01-08T13:00:47.233+00:00Joseph, you appear to be addressing the OP, but I ...Joseph, you appear to be addressing the OP, but I suspect your comment was intended for me, so I'll respond to it.<br /><br /> Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired. None of my posts "seem" to be saying that at all.<br /><br /> You seem unable to read what I write without reaching for the most uncharitable - nay, absurd - interpretation possible. That's called arguing in bad faith, and it's a real time-waster.Ivy Shootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04340057355166930681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-54038501547915676502016-01-08T12:47:03.680+00:002016-01-08T12:47:03.680+00:00No, Joseph, there aren't feminists defending a...No, Joseph, there aren't feminists defending a literal rape-culture here. There is only you, straw-manning feminists who see the same root problem in BOTH cultures: presumed male primacy and entitlement to control/access women's bodies.<br /><br /> Face the fact that YOU are denying that one of those cultures has a problem at all, that only the non-white, non-western culture is problematic, when they BOTH are.Ivy Shootshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04340057355166930681noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-50135157526117086572016-01-07T22:28:05.985+00:002016-01-07T22:28:05.985+00:00I honestly can't believe what I'n reading ...I honestly can't believe what I'n reading in here. There are feminists defending a literal rape-culture by blaming one of the most gender-equal societies the world has ever known.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-52780946461419742042016-01-07T22:23:47.552+00:002016-01-07T22:23:47.552+00:00>There were just as many German men getting off...>There were just as many German men getting off those trains as women. Where were they? <br /><br />From the accounts I've read they were fighting to protect the women in their presence but hugely outnumbered. They called for police but there were only enough police to deal with the usual NYE rowdiness, not sexual assault on a scale unheard of in peacetime Germany.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-32550691815480645502016-01-07T22:18:43.565+00:002016-01-07T22:18:43.565+00:00No no, the Arab world merely condones 'honour&...No no, the Arab world merely condones 'honour' killings of a woman who is raped, execution for women's adultery, produces groups like ISIS that publicly endorse mass rape, etc etc. Would you please get real?John Dorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15316759130724123998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-49434790952186011332016-01-07T22:17:22.854+00:002016-01-07T22:17:22.854+00:00No no, the Arab world merely condones 'honour&...No no, the Arab world merely condones 'honour' killings of a woman who is raped, execution for women's adultery, produces groups like ISIS that publicly endorse mass rape, etc etc. Would you please get real?John Dorneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15316759130724123998noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-11442189381209036052016-01-07T22:13:41.591+00:002016-01-07T22:13:41.591+00:00Bringing up the Rotherham abuse scandal along with...Bringing up the Rotherham abuse scandal along with some whataboutery of a white grooming gang is shockingly misleading. CEOP found that 75% of the grooming gangs operating in the UK were Muslim and that their victims were 97% white non-Muslim. That's a bog slice when you consider Muslims make up about 5% of the UK population.<br /><br />This does not mean that Muslims commit more sex crimes as a whole but there's a clear link with the beliefs of some Muslim men about the relative status of non-Muslim women.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-39220814671476582532016-01-07T21:48:26.348+00:002016-01-07T21:48:26.348+00:00Please enlighten us because your earlier post seem...Please enlighten us because your earlier post seems to be saying that mass sexual assault is something these attackers learned from native Germans.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-25056868451359640492016-01-07T21:44:09.530+00:002016-01-07T21:44:09.530+00:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6510624476585230434.post-71839848961527598612016-01-07T21:31:12.946+00:002016-01-07T21:31:12.946+00:00Is Saudi a woman can be whipped and imprisoned for...Is Saudi a woman can be whipped and imprisoned for getting herself raped. In Somalia a girl was stoned to death for adultery after being raped. There are problems in Germany's mega brothels, but don't try to suggest that women are treated better in Muslim majority countries.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08099227030673332413noreply@blogger.com